Alo and De Dreams #22
(PD) Alo and De Lake on Land.
Copyright ©2018 September 27, 2018
De: I still think about Jun's way of thinking about outsiders... it is interesting... I have tried it myself... it feels very strange, but it does work... it makes me feel as though I am an observer, and not really part of the physical world, but, at the same time, it also makes me feel as though I am more connected with Nature in some ways... perhaps in a way like what Jun had said... a portion of Nature's own mind.
Alo: I tried it also... similar results... my mind continued thinking thoughts as normal, but I had shifted one of the underlying foundations to become as if a visitor to this Reality... I humored myself with the thought that it sometimes caused me to pretend to be a soul observing the Source's creation...
De: Yes, almost dream-like... when the novelty wears off, I want to give attention to how the mind forms the point of view, to determine why it works so well, and why my mind works as it normally does...
Alo: Yes, contrasts... something to learn by... self-observe, and learn more about ourselves...
De: We have observed within ourselves of how dreams nascent... of how the mind drifts into a different tone... imaginations are permitted to wander... and then the body senses begin to turn off... normal sounds no longer given attention to... sense of distant touch no longer felt... mindfulness of the surroundings no longer given mind to... Jun's way has a little similarity of distant senses not being felt, or at least not self-referenced, but not enough for me to begin thinking of the way as if a dream-like state... nothing has changed, except the will to believe that I am of a physical body that is connected to all other physical things... the will to believe this Reality to be real, is shifted... different in a way that I am unsure of... but even there, the change is so very slight... nothing else has changed... and I can as easily return to my normal way of interpreting Nature...
Alo: I have experimented with several different degrees of the shifting of focus... one type merely chooses to not self-reference, another type loses distant feelings, and of the several other types, one type is as if being only the observer, like in an odd dream that has no sensory perceptions nor participation in the dream's activities. The thing that further caught my attention, was the wondering if some other people might perceive their world similarly... maybe some people are like us, who are aware of their world, while other people are naturally disconnected, and other people are naturally unable to self-reflect. We will never know, of course, because most people cannot describe their own thoughts...
De: That is an interesting idea... so then, that could be like the outsiders not being able to care about other people... that might actually explain some of the mysteries of why some people are so cold and unmindful... maybe even explain some of why the outsiders cannot cross-light their contradictions... like in some dreams, timelines of events are not connected, nothing in-between... a dream might have one's self traveling in a train, but the next moment the person is standing in a city... there was no consciousness in-between being in the train and being in the city... maybe some people are like that all the time, even when awake.
Alo: Some of it, of course, is merely the body itself... lack of symmetry of form suggests mental asymmetry also... what if the people's thoughts are lacking of symmetry also? Would that not also cause a mental acceptance of contradictions? So many questions, and no answers...
De: Yes, no answers... many questions... but also, of dreams... of the many dreams that we have had, that later came true, the dreams were no different than now... same senses, same thoughts, same self... often, the only difference was the ambience... the surroundings held a difference of intensities... often I asked myself if the dreams might have been real, but within a different fractal...
Alo: Yes, I have wondered similar things... if some of my dreams last for years, and I am purposefully consciously observing the time flow to ensure that what I am experiencing is real, then time by itself is not proof of it being a dream. There are so many things that cannot be known of Nature... so many possibilities, and we know of almost none.
De: And it makes Jun's way of disconnecting not sound so weird...
Alo: Ha! No... not weird at all really... and, really, maybe... I have to ask... can we be confident that our current way of thinking is valid? When I was little, I knew that this Reality was not what the eyes interpreted it to be... do we just grow accustomed to what the eyes see? Are we also numbed now? What if Jun's way might be what ought to be normal?
De: Good questions... although, maybe my only answer would be within the obvious... regardless of whether we are here, or in a dream, we would still be within this Reality would we not?
Alo: Yes... Nature's way, it is still there... but now that raises more questions... if the dreams that came true had all followed Nature's way, and the dreams that did not come true did not follow Nature's way, then if that made the dreams to be dreams because they did not behave as Nature's way, then what does that tell us of the other dreams?
De: Oh, that opens much too many cans of worms... the possibilities are almost infinite...
Alo: Yes... like Nature's way of creativity... but, back to the meat of the topic, although Jun's way is interesting and can indeed provide forms of usefulness, still, to not always be fully centered, there is a loss of inner harmony... for me, the harmony is harmed... permitting the mind to change the inner harmony, no, regardless of the advantages, the disadvantage is simply unacceptable.
De: Agreed... Jun is making good progress... in time it is hoped that her centeredness will become unchangeable, and when it does, then at that time she will also recognize the differences between centeredness and what the mind invents.
Alo: Yes...