Alo and De Mutual #97
(PD) Alo and De Lake on Land.
Copyright ©2018 December 24, 2018
Yan: What we had spoken of before... 'mutual'... like 'up' and 'down' are mutual... rely on the other... 'wide, narrow' are mutual... 'old, young' are mutual... I briefly looked at how some people interpret the concept of 'mutual'... kind of funny, but I really did not closely understand what the people were talking about. It appeared that the people believed something, like, it was supposed to be, something, like, a superior mind, or such, if a person can recognize mutual things...
Alo: Yes, peculiar to me also... I also briefly looked at a few commentaries... strange things the people said... I also looked at the ancient writing you told me about... to me, according to the written words, the writing's idea says to return to Nature's model... which, according to the writings, is 'nothing pole'... wuji...
Yan: Agreed... then, again, wuji cannot be the void... not the same things... although, some people did make a, mystical, claim, that to attain the writing's teachings, would enable the people to attain some mystical supernatural state of existence... I lightly chuckled at the claims, and then ignored the rest.
Alo: I also agree... wuji cannot be the void... look, at the differences... in the void, there is nothing perceivable, nothing that so much as hints of Nature's existence... cannot be a model of Nature if no Nature there... Nature's model, is here, in Nature... Nature is creative, Nature is not void... the idea of wuji being a void, is irrational... and, if irrational, then the writings themselves would be irrational, and void the whole of the book...
Yan: Very much agreed.
Alo: To me, the book's sentence possesses some good thoughts, but, simultaneously, the book's ideas are, as if, surface-only... the general concept is to be Nature's model, constantly walk-virtue, not vary from walk-virtue, and then return to wuji... to me, the book's idea says to become a walk-virtue that does not judge mutuals... much like a different system of belief, that taught a similar thing... and, so, here, the ancient sentence appears to point to the obvious, that of attaining a walk-virtue that simply and plainly exists within one's heart, is expressed outwardly, and the mind does not unnecessarily bother itself with imaginary mutuals...
Yan: Again agreed... the mind, not judge... not apply the normal learned way of judging things, but rather, see things as they are, all while walking a walk-virtue, which would be, sort of like a portion of Nature's way.
Alo: Yes, that is a good way of phrasing it... but here, look, the 'return to wuji' implies that the people had left wuji... that means, that if the people left wuji, then, the people cannot now see Nature as it is... disturbing...
Yan: I saw that also, but, I was afraid to speak the words... I did not want it to be true...
Alo: I share your tensed-pulling-back-withdrawing-emotion concern... not want to approach, not want to accept as real... but, maybe... maybe, this is another clue of outsiders' way... maybe, they cannot discern mutuals... maybe, they do not think of things, without inserting imaginary poles... all thoughts, then, imaginary...
Yan: And that is close to what I concluded also... scary stuff...
Alo: The topic raises memories... when I was little, my father and uncle had dug a small hole in the backyard, something for the purpose of a water pipe access... while the adults were away, I played near the hole... I dropped a small toy man into the hole, and while reaching in, I paused to study the hole... that it had a contrast, of top, and bottom... the hole, if removed from and permitted to exist outside of Nature, and to then only be aware of and be measured from top to bottom, the hole then had a depth... I made many calculations... all imaginary, but still interesting to me. I was accustomed to only measuring things naturally... of curves, durations, and ratios... so, for me, it was the first time that I divided Reality into little segments... I taught myself, concepts, of flat dimensions... I then played by inventing more imaginary measurements of other things...
Yan: Good example... it shows the natural state that gets changed into an imaginary state... the ancient book spoke of a similar thing, that of 'hole' and 'full' being mutual... and here, you just explained the difference, and, how the absence of mutual had already been known, and experienced firsthand. Also, the ancient sentence appears to be speaking of something similar, that of not inventing the imaginary measurements...
Alo: Agreed... but similarly interesting is that when I was grown, and told some other people about how I learned of 'dimensions', the people said that I was either lying or had a mental problem... I chose to simply walk away... no usefulness in attempting to explain anything to outsiders... they apparently cannot grasp anything that requires thought...
Yan: Yes, the way of outsiders... but, does this not also help give an example of the ancient sentence? Maybe outsiders really cannot think without imaginary measurements?
Alo: Apparently correct... for our people, our minds develop with a fluid awareness of at least five so-called 'dimensions', of numerous fluid thoughts observing numerous different fluid curve-motions simultaneously... we then later learn one 'adult dimension', then a second 'adult dimension', then a third 'adult dimension'... but still we think naturally... still think with fluid curves and ratios... knowing a false 'adult dimension', does not mandate that we believe the 'adult dimension' to be real, nor mandate that we must think through use of the false measurement-dimension...
Yan: It appears to me that the ancient sentence was spoken by an individual who attained an ability to see the world without mentally inserting imaginary judgments of mutuals, and he then wrote of mutuals, and, phrased the absence of mental mutuals to be a 'nothing pole'... a wuji... the author's own personal interpretation...
Alo: Agreed... but look at the sentence... three things... be Nature model... do walk-virtue... then return to nothing-pole... three things... be, do, return... only three things, and yet most people cannot connect the three? Are we back to what we had talked about before? Only three words? Outsiders cannot grasp three obvious things?
Yan: Apparently not...
Alo: Nevertheless, the sentence itself is somewhat acceptable, and honorable enough to be respected, because, it does suggest walk-virtue... hopefully a creative virtue... but, still, the sentence is only aimed towards outsiders... the sentence omits words that speak of how 'mutual' is a two-dimensional concept... requires, a, two-dimensional mind... requires, a mind that is not aware of itself... omits curves... omits ratios... omits durations... omits, time dilations... omits, time dilations of ratios of curves... omits spherical relativities... omits disconnected measurements... omits consciousness... omits one's center... omits the cores of all thought and all awareness... omits life itself... the sentence, is very flat... leaps, from idea to conclusion... no, explanations in-between... no hint, of being aware of what exists between points A and B...
Yan: Agreed... and, apparently, to us, the three concepts within the sentence are very simplistic, but... look at what the outsiders have done with the ancient words... the outsiders invented more imaginary mutuals... 'go from here to there'... and the outsiders then claimed of themselves to dwell within wuji, while not knowing that wuji itself is poverty of awareness...
Alo: Is this, not, a lot like some of the other systems of belief? Claiming to have become 'empty', and, having become 'aware' also?
Yan: Yes, very similar... enter into a nothing-pole, a so-called emptiness... and, then, claim to be aware... but still not be aware of their own minds and hearts... to me, this suggests something much larger... it, suggests, an illustration, seen within the descending curve... illustrating, the natural state, of outsiders' minds...
Alo: Agreed... descending curve... emotional downward... entering depressed... entering, self-destruction... walking, devolution... yes, agreed...