Alo and De Old New #100
(PD) Alo and De Lake on Land.
Copyright ©2018 December 26, 2018
De: It is important, to better explain...
Morning Dove: Yes, the idea of 'mutuals' seems to be reasonable for the most part, but also seems to be missing what is real. The idea of there existing a 'nothing pole' in-between old and new, is not fully reasonable to me.
Alo: Agreed... but, the book's words, were written for common people to read... it is unlikely that a common person would recognize the error... perhaps, the author might have also not recognized the error...
Morning Dove: Very plausible. Outside of our people, I have never heard of anyone who would know why.
Alo: For us, from the first moments of consciousness within the body, we were already with a knowing of now, and of past... the pattern of body development, became the rhythm of mind... became, the rhythm, of thought... became, the rhythm, that, the 'then' past, and the 'now' present, judges old from new... the song of life, continues upon the rhythm... durations of awareness, continue to lengthen... durations of awareness, retain in presence, the experience of the previous experiences of durations... the song lengthens, but still the song's rhythm mirrors the body's development... Nature rules most all of the body's development, Nature rules most all of the mind's development, Nature rules the rhythm that rules the knowing of old and new. It is, not, possible, for a living being, to escape Nature's way... not possible, for a living being to escape old from new...
Morning Dove: But here, my question is the difference between our knowing past from present, and the book's idea of old and new... there appears to be a wide difference.
Alo: One, cycle, of body rhythm, retains a reasonably steady duration of time in-between each cycle... consciousness, observes durations... durations, are, sort of like, a musical note... one cycle, one note... second cycle, two of the same note, the consciousness observes and is aware of each individual note... remembers, 'feels', previous note, aware of current note... but the mind also combines the two notes to create an 'aware concept' of a single, another single, and a duality... 'two'. Third cycle, three of the same note... mind creates aware-concepts of single, single, single, many dualities that exist in-between one and two, two and three, one and three, plus the addition of durations of time, curvatures, ratios, and so on... by the third note, there is formed the concept of a core triplicity that is surrounded by the song of durational ratios... without the ability to retain an awareness of past and present, then no thinking of this life would be possible...
De: Your writings, fifteen years ago, attempted a similar explanation... the mind is counting... first moments of consciousness within the body... already counting...
Alo: Yes, so very much agreed... but here, look... outsiders, are vocal, saying that no one can learn how to count until the person learns math in a government school... outsiders sincerely do believe that their bodies and minds somehow magically came into existence without Nature's rhythms, and without mental abilities to count... the outsiders' beliefs, are... absurd. The outsiders, cannot feel their own bodies, cannot observe their own minds, cannot know anything about life and thoughts... absolutely nothing... as if, almost a 'nothing pole'... also, the belief-based teachings' masters claim that they know everything going on inside of their bodies and minds...
Morning Dove: Global religion is the same.
Alo: Yes... one-hundred percent of all claims from the global religion are imaginary, false... as if a magic blended into huge absence of thinking...
Yan: But, now that the believers in the global religion have been told information, the believers will now begin claiming the same thing... and, claiming it was their own intelligence that discovered the new information... or, claim that the information was discovered by their global religion...
Alo: Yes... like ignorant animals that steal from each other, the believers steal other people's words, and then claim that the words came from their religion... the believers have no knowledge of their own...
Yan: Pakleds! Ha!
Morning Dove: Pakleds?
Yan: A television show, that had extraordinarily stupid space aliens who stole technology from other space alien races, and the Pakleds then claimed 'We's smart" because they had the stolen technology.
Morning Dove: Aha, I see...
Alo: But the thing here, is that the rhythm of body is as the pattern that the mind forms from... the pattern does not 'force' nor 'teach' the mind, but rather the body is like how we learn of Nature... we observe, we give attention to what we observe, and we teach ourselves by what we observed... there are no 'teachers' in Nature's way, no doctrines, no leading, no commanding, nothing related to the normal outsider way of believing that the Source and Nature 'teach' within a master-slave relationship... if, the mind were only 'taught' the rhythms, then that would be similar to the irrational global religion's belief that Creation began through binary... one cycle, second cycle, third cycle... binary steps, not connected... absolutely not possible to create Creation through disconnected binary... also have to create binary before binary can create Creation, again another absurdity of the global religion... global religion claims it possible, but, global religion is wrong about everything... everything... eternally always wrong...
De: 'Understand like male, nurture like female'...
Alo: Ah, yes, thank you... get me back on track here... male way, growing, verbose... ha! And so, here, the longer the mind exists within the body, the longer the song... the mind can then divide the song into the segments of firsthand experiences... say, something, like, from first experience, to second experience of having felt a change of body development, and then a third experience of the body changing development again... duration from first to second, say, one-thousand cycles... from second to third, duration might be as a million cycles... the mind attains an understanding of time, a self-time... a self-time of self-life... the 'time' is not counted as if binary points, nor counted as if mathematical points A to B, but rather judged upon curves, ratios, depths, etcetera...
De: Golden ratios...
Alo: Thank you... keep me on a forward track... yes, each ratio of curve is consciously weighed, with the heaviest weights being near the golden ratio... sort of like the term 'catastrophe curve' that occurs at the apex before falling beyond... similar to music heard with the ears, songs usually follow a similar pattern, of the emphasis being near the golden ratio of length... from song start, to song finish, the golden ratio moves along the curve... the longer the song, the longer the golden ratio from the beginning... and there, that alone proves that most humans already have a sense of knowing age... similar for shapes, of people feeling a sense of balance for rectangles that have golden ratio widths and heights... perhaps always subconscious in normal animals, but conscious in our people...
De: If, no sense of time, then no music would exist...
Alo: Precisely... I am, of course, skipping over the countless fluid ratios, curves, and durations, but to be simple and brief, the sense of time, of old and new, is already present. Now, after being born, the sense of time enables a person to mentally judge their own age relative to days and years, as well as to mentally judge a distance of future years from today. If, say, ten years old, then divide the ten in half, add the half to ten, and then estimate fifteen... if not for the ability to know old from new, then mathematics would be impossible... also, multiply current life-duration ten times, know one-hundred years... there, the conscious mind, soon after the first conscious experience, is already adding, subtracting, dividing, multiplying, multiplying exponentially, dividing exponentially, and applying ratios in motion that not even the outsiders' greatest topmost superior experts can do with their mathematics... not so much as touch the toe of the conscious mind...
Morning Dove: Then, music, and responding to ratios, this is not something magical, nor out of the common at all, not even for animals.
Alo: Yes, correct... even animals can recognize music... at least some...
Morning Dove: Then too, technically, it is not possible to fully enter a 'nothing pole' between old and new, and too, does this not also mean that other mutual things are not really mutual?
Alo: Yes... if the mind has not already formed the ability to recognize things like height and depth, then even the words 'height' and 'depth' would not exist.
Morning Dove: I ask again... is there any chance that the author knew that?
Alo: Probably not... else he would have likely phrased his words differently... instead of saying 'nothing pole', he could have said something like 'all pole', or, 'no taught pole'...
Morning Dove: My sigh... then, the book's words might be useful for some people, but not for conscious people?
Alo: Yes... for outsiders, just to be able to look at something without inserting nonsense measurements, the people claim that their minds have become awake, aware, enlightened, superior... many different ways of expressing a tiny thing...
Morning Dove: Consciousness, feeling durations... like how we might feel time today, and feel how long a year was prior to today, and also, feel forward a year...
Alo: More than once I have been told that people cannot feel forward time... I do not understand how that might be possible, to not feel forward, but, apparently, some people cannot do it. Look at the many ancient prophets, who spoke of future events, and the events did in fact come true. At least some of the men likely applied the feeling-forward... feel one's life-duration, feel distance from now to then, divide distance by life-duration, know how many life-durations fit within the forward time, then multiply one's current life-duration that many times... so easy, so obvious.
De: Also, other direction...
Alo: Yes... simple... feel memory, feel length of duration... feel direction of duration... past, is as inner backwards... future, as, exterior heart forward... use current life-duration as the standard scale... feel forward, feel a hundred life-durations, multiply current life-duration a hundred times... then, reason age, of life-consciousness... multiply current life-duration, but, backwards... and not once, at any time, was used mathematics... the outsiders' mathematics is as nothing compared to Nature's way... is nothing.
Morning Dove: Multiply backwards... interesting idea... but, what if the measure is more than one's current life-duration? Is that possible?
Jun: Not what, De and Alo, will speak of...
Yan: Yes... nor, of future either... something, very personal... not right to pry... but, to give a short answer, yes, to feel, shortly after being born, about twenty or more thousands of life-durations, backwards... suggests one thing... also suggests another...
Alo: All things old, were all things new... all things, that will be new, touch all... the song of Nature... long duration... duration beyond today... a song's final note always influences the first... the beautiful last note, changes the whole... makes, all beautiful...